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How Hitler defied the bankers
« on: May 22, 2012, 08:46:36 PM »
Not the History you learned in school but makes a lot of sense. There is a lot of information supporting this version of history if you care to look. This article gives a clear view of how warped our reality is by the MSM.

How Hitler defied the bankers
May 4th, 2012

In Full from http://www.radicalpress.com/ The site (not the article) is the work of Arthur Topham who lives not far from me in the small town of Quesnel and who was just arrested and had his home raided and computer seized while under arrest. He's maintained his struggle to bring the truth to the surface for almost two decades now. The Bnai Brith have had him before the farcical Canadian Human Rights Tribunal for several years trying to destroy him.



Many people take joy in saying Wall Street and Jewish bankers “financed Hitler.” There is plenty of documented evidence that Wall Street and Jewish bankers did indeed help finance Hitler at first, partly because it allowed the bankers to get rich (as I will describe below) and partly in order to control Stalin. However, when Germany broke free from the bankers, the bankers declared a world war against Germany.

When we look at all the facts, the charge that “Jews financed Hitler” becomes irrelevant.  Los Angeles Attorney Ellen Brown discusses this topic in her book Web Of Debt…

When Hitler came to power, Germany was hopelessly broke. The Treaty of Versailles had imposed crushing reparations on the German people, demanding that Germans repay every nation’s costs of the war. These costs totaled three times the value of all the property in Germany.

Private currency speculators caused the German mark to plummet, precipitating one of the worst runaway inflations in modern times. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread. The national treasury was empty. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private (Jewish controlled) banks. Germans lived in hovels. They were starving.


Nothing like this had ever happened before - the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people’s savings and businesses.  On top of this came a global depression.  Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international (mainly Jewish) bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power. At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money.  World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany.

Hitler began a national credit program by devising a plan of public works that included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers.


The projected cost of these various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency.  To pay for this, the German government (not the international bankers) issued bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates.  In this way the National Socialists put millions of people to work, and paid them with Treasury Certificates.

Under the National Socialists, Germany’s money wasn’t backed by gold (which was owned by the international bankers).  It was essentially a receipt for labor and materials delivered to the government.  Hitler said, “For every mark issued, we required the equivalent of a mark’s worth of work done, or goods produced.” The government paid workers in Certificates. Workers spent those Certificates on other goods and services, thus creating more jobs for more people.  In this way the German people climbed out of the crushing debt imposed on them by the international bankers.


Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work.  Within five years, Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest.


Germany even managed to restore foreign trade, despite the international bankers’ denial of foreign credit to Germany, and despite the global boycott by Jewish-owned industries.  Germany succeeded in this by exchanging equipment and commodities directly with other countries, using a barter system that cut the bankers out of the picture.  Germany flourished, since barter eliminates national debt and trade deficits. (Venezuela does the same thing today when it trades oil for commodities, plus medical help, and so on.  Hence the bankers are trying to squeeze Venezuela.)


Germany’s economic freedom was short-lived; but it left several monuments, including the famous Autobahn, the world’s first extensive superhighway.


Hjalmar Schacht, a Rothschild agent who was temporarily head of the German central bank,  summed it up thus… An American banker had commented, “Dr. Schacht, you should come to America. We’ve lots of money and that’s real banking.” Schacht replied, “You should come to Berlin. We don’t have money. That’s real banking.”

(Schacht, the Rothschild agent, actually supported the private international bankers against Germany, and was rewarded by having all charges against him dropped at the Nuremberg trials.)

This economic freedom made Hitler extremely popular with the German people.  Germany was rescued from English economic theory, which says that all currency must be borrowed against the gold owned by a private and secretive banking cartel — such as the Federal Reserve, or the Central Bank of Europe — rather than issued by the government for the benefit of the people.

Canadian researcher Dr. Henry Makow (who is Jewish himself) says the main reason why the bankers arranged for a world war against Germany was that Hitler sidestepped the bankers by creating his own money, thereby freeing the German people. Worse, this freedom and prosperity threatened to spread to other nations. Hitler had to be stopped!

Makow quotes from the 1938 interrogation of C. G. Rakovsky, one of the founders of Soviet Bolsevism and a Trotsky intimate. Rakovsky was tried in show trials in the USSR under Stalin. According to Rakovsky, Hitler was at first funded by the international bankers, through the bankers’ agent Hjalmar Schacht. The bankers financed Hitler in order to control Stalin, who had usurped power from their agent Trotsky. Then Hitler became an even bigger threat than Stalin when Hitler started printing his own money.

(Stalin came to power in 1922, which was eleven years before Hitler came to power.)

Rakovsky said:

“Hitler took over the privilege of manufacturing money, and not only physical moneys, but also financial ones. He took over the machinery of falsification and put it to work for the benefit of the people. Can you possibly imagine what would have come if this had infected a number of other states?” (Henry Makow, “Hitler Did Not Want War,” www.savethemales.com March 21, 2004).

Economist Henry C K Liu writes of Germany’s remarkable transformation:

“The Nazis came to power in 1933 when the German economy was in total collapse, with ruinous war-reparation obligations and zero prospects for foreign investment or credit. Through an independent monetary policy of sovereign credit and a full-employment public-works program, the Third Reich was able to turn a bankrupt Germany, stripped of overseas colonies, into the strongest economy in Europe within four years, even before armament spending began.” (Henry C. K. Liu, “Nazism and the German Economic Miracle,” Asia Times (May 24, 2005).

In Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984), Sheldon Emry commented:

“Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 on, which accounts for Germany’s startling rise from the depression to a world power in five years. The German government financed its entire operations from 1935 to 1945 without gold, and without debt. It took the entire Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German revolution, and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers.”

These facts do not appear in any textbooks today, since Jews own most publishing companies. What does appear is the disastrous runaway inflation suffered in 1923 by the Weimar Republic, which governed Germany from 1919 to 1933. Today’s textbooks use this inflation to twist truth into its opposite. They cite the radical devaluation of the German mark as an example of what goes wrong when governments print their own money, rather than borrow it from private cartels.

In reality, the Weimar financial crisis began with the impossible reparations payments imposed at the Treaty of Versailles. Hjalmar Schacht – the Rothschild agent who was currency commissioner for the Republic — opposed letting the German government print its own money… “The Treaty of Versailles is a model of ingenious measures for the economic destruction of Germany.  Germany could not find any way of holding its head above the water, other than by the inflationary expedient of printing bank notes.”

Schacht echoes the textbook lie that Weimar inflation was caused when the German government printed its own money.  However, in his 1967 book The Magic of Money, Schacht let the cat out of the bag by revealing that it was the PRIVATELY-OWNED Reichsbank, not the German government, that was pumping new currency into the economy.  Thus, the PRIVATE BANK caused the Weimar hyper-inflation.

Like the U.S. Federal Reserve, the Reichsbank was overseen by appointed government officials, but was operated for private gain. What drove the wartime inflation into hyperinflation was speculation by foreign investors, who sold the mark short, betting on its decreasing value. In the manipulative device known as the short sale, speculators borrow something they don’t own, sell it, and then “cover” by buying it back at the lower price.

Speculation in the German mark was made possible because the PRIVATELY OWNED Reichsbank (not yet under Nazi control) made massive amounts of currency available for borrowing.  This currency, like U.S. currency today, was created with accounting entries on the bank’s books. Then the funny-money was lent at compound interest. When the Reichsbank could not keep up with the voracious demand for marks, other private banks were allowed to create marks out of nothing, and to lend them at interest. The result was runaway debt and inflation.

Thus, according to Schacht himself, the German government did not cause the Weimar hyperinflation.  On the contrary, the government (under the National Socialists) got hyperinflation under control. The National Socialists put the Reichsbank under strict government regulation, and took prompt corrective measures to eliminate foreign speculation. One of those measures was to eliminate easy access to funny-money loans from private banks. Then Hitler got Germany back on its feet by having the public government issue Treasury Certificates.

Schacht , the Rothschild agent, disapproved of this government fiat money, and wound up getting fired as head of the Reichsbank when he refused to issue it.  Nonetheless, he acknowledged in his later memoirs that allowing the government to issue the money it needed did not produce the price inflation predicted by classical economic theory, which says that currency must be borrowed from private cartels.

What causes hyper-inflation is uncontrolled speculation. When speculation is coupled with debt (owed to private banking cartels) the result is disaster. On the other hand, when a government issues currency in carefully measured ways, it causes supply and demand to increase together, leaving prices unaffected. Hence there is no inflation, no debt, no unemployment, and no need for income taxes.

Naturally this terrifies the bankers, since it eliminates their powers. It also terrifies Jews, since their control of banking allows them to buy the media, the government, and everything else.

Therefore, to those who delight in saying “Jews financed Hitler,” I ask that they please look at all the facts.
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 11:28:44 PM »
This should bring in some interesting commentary.

What I would like to know is how Hitler used his version of Lincoln Greenbacks to buy Coal and Oil necessary for Germany's industrial plant?  My suspicion would be he made promises to Banksters to pay them back with stuff he was planning to steal through conquest.  So they fronted up the energy he needed to get his War machine rolling.

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2012, 07:47:05 AM »
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RE.... My suspicion would be he made promises to Banksters to pay them back with stuff he was planning to steal through conquest.

Another of the propaganda twists....  Hitler didn't want war and didn't start WWII. Germany probably got their energy supply as the previous article says they did with many goods; they bartered directly for them.


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In full from http://www.rense.com/general83/dett.htm (other interesting comments there.)

The Myth Of German Culpability
The 2nd World War
The True Sequence Of Aggression
By Michael Walsh
10-4-8
 

One of the great mysteries of life is that despite the evidence to the contrary millions of otherwise intelligent people still believe that Germany was the all powerful aggressor during the 2nd World War. Nothing better than these myths illustrate the mind-bending power of propaganda.
 
The provable facts suggest that Germany was the victim and not the perpetrator of naked neighboring aggression. The subsequent allied military triumph was followed by the triumph of the propagandists whose pressing need was to depict the victor nations as being the victim.
 
THE BRUTISH EMPIRE
 
"Germany is too strong. We must destroy her."
- Winston Churchill, Nov. 1936.
 
"In no country has the historical blackout been more intense and effective than in Great Britain. Here it has been ingeniously christened The Iron Curtain of Discreet Silence. Virtually nothing has been written to reveal the truth about British responsibility for the Second World War and its disastrous results." - Harry Elmer Barnes. American Historian
 
"The war was not just a matter of the elimination of Fascism in Germany, but rather of obtaining German sales markets." - Winston Churchill. March, 1946.
 
"Britain was taking advantage of the situation to go to war against Germany because the Reich had become too strong and had upset the European balance." - Ralph F. Keeling, Institute of American Economics
 
"I emphasized that the defeat of Germany and Japan and their elimination from world trade would give Britain a tremendous opportunity to swell her foreign commerce in both volume and profit." - Samuel Untermeyer, The Public Years, p.347.
 
On September 2nd 1939 a delegate of the Labour Party met with the British Foreign Minister Halifax in the lobby of Parliament. 'Do you still have hope?'he asked. 'If you mean hope for war,' answered Halifax, 'then your hope will be fulfilled tomorrow. 'God be thanked!' replied the representative of the British Labour Party. - Professor Michael Freund.
 
"In Britain, Lord Halifax was reported as being 'redeemed'. He ordered beer. We laughed and joked." - H. Roth. Are We Being Lied To?
 
"In April, 1939, (four months before the outbreak of war) Ambassador William C. Bullitt, whom I had known for twenty years, called me to the American Embassy in Paris. The American Ambassador told me that war had been decided upon. He did not say, nor did I ask, by whom. He let me infer it. ... When I said that in the end Germany would be driven into the arms of Soviet Russia and Bolshevism, the Ambassador replied: "'what of it? There will not be enough Germans left when the war is over to be worth bolshevising." - - Karl von Wiegand, April, 23rd, 1944, Chicago Herald American
 
"I felt sorry for the German people. We were planning - and we had the force to carry out our plans - to obliterate a once mighty nation." - Admiral Daniel Leahy; U.S Ambassador
 
MYTH 1. THE GERMAN NATION IS AN AGGRESSIVE NATION
 
The facts prove otherwise. A Study of War by Prof. Quincy Wright, shows that in the period from 1480 to 1940 there were 278 wars involving European countries whose percentage participation was as follows:
 
ENGLAND28%
FRANCE26%
SPAIN23%
RUSSIA22%
AUSTRIA19%
TURKEY15%
POLAND11%
SWEDEN9%
ITALY9%
NETHERLANDS8%
GERMANY (INCLUDING PRUSSIA)8%
DENMARK7%
 
Likewise, Pitirim Sorokin, Vol.111, Part.11, Social and Cultural Dynamics, shows that from the 12th Century to 1925 the percentage of years in which leading European powers have been at war is as follows. (p.352).
 
COUNTRY PERCENTAGE OF YEARS AT WAR
 
SPAIN67%
POLAND58%
ENGLAND56%
FRANCE50%
RUSSIA46%
HOLLAND44%
ITALY36%
GERMANY28%
 
Sorokin concludes therefore, "that Germany has had the smallest and Spain the largest percent of years at war." Of leading modern European states, England, France and Russia show clearly twice the aggressive tendencies of Germany.
 
From the years 1815 to 1907 the record stands as follows:
 
BRITAIN10 warsRUSSIA7 warsFRANCE5 warsAUSTRIA3 warsPRUSSIA-GERMANY3 wars
 
GERMANY DID NOT WANT WAR
 
"I believe now that Hitler and the German people did not want war. But we declared war on Germany, intent on destroying it, in accordance with our principle of balance of power, and we were encouraged by the 'Americans' around Roosevelt. We ignored Hitler's pleadings not to enter into war. Now we are forced to realize that Hitler was right." - Attorney General, Sir. Hartley Shawcross, March,16th, 1984
 
"The last thing Hitler wanted was to produce another great war." - Sir. Basil Liddell Hart
 
"I see no reason why this war must go on. I am grieved to think of the sacrifices which it will claim. I would like to avert them." - Adolf Hitler, July, 1940.
 
Winston Churchill agrees: "We entered the war of our own free will, without ourselves being directly assaulted." - Guild Hall Speech, July 1943.
 
MYTH.2 THE GERMAN ARMED FORCES
OUTNUMBERED THEIR NEIGHBOURS
 
POLAND
 
30 Active Divisions
10 Reserve Divisions
12 Large Cavalry Brigades
Poland had nearly 2,500,000 trained men available for mobilisations.
 
FRANCE
 
110 Divisions
65 were active divisions
Including 5 cavalry divisions, two mechanised divisions, one armoured division, the rest being infantry. On the German borders stood the French commandstood 85 Divisions and could mobilise 5,000,000-armed troops. These were supported backed by five British divisions.
 
BRITAIN
 
Britain's relatively small but high quality Regular Army was supported by the Territorial Army consisting of 26 Divisions with plans well in hand to boost this to 55 divisions. This of course was in turn supported by the then world's largest conscription army holding an empire 'upon which the sun never set.'
 
The British Empire consisted also of the former German 'empire' of New Guinea, Nauru, Western Samoa, South West Africa, Quattar, Palestine, Transjordan, Tanganyika, Iraq, Togoland and the Cameroons. These territories stolen from Germany added another 1,061,755 square miles to the British Empire, the equivalent of 35 Scotlands
 
GERMANY
 
Against these formidable forces Germany was able to mobilise just ninety-eight divisions of which only fifty-two were active (including Austrian divisions). Of the remaining 46 divisions only 10 were fit for action on mobilisation and even in these the bulk of them were raw recruits who had been serving for less than one month.
 
The other 36 divisions consisted mainly of Great War veterans over the age of forty who were unfamiliar with modern weapons and up to date military techniques.
 
THE BALANCE SHEET
 
On the balance sheets it can be seen that the Poles and French alone, not counting Britain and its Empire, had the equivalent of 130 divisions against a total of 98 German divisions of with 1/3rd were virtually untrained men.
 
In terms of trained soldiers the Germans were at an even bigger disadvantage. (Note at the outbreak of war over 50% of the German armed forces was horse drawn).
 
WAR IN THE AIR
 
"The superiority of the Luftwaffe has been greatly exaggerated to create the impression that Britain was the underdog; a David fighting Goliath. In the run up to the Battle of Britain (August 10th 194) the Luftwaffe had 929 fighters available; mostly single-engine Messerschmitt 109s. Of these 227 were twin-engine long-range Me110s which had a top speed of 350mph. Although it had a faster rate of climb it was inferior when turning or manoeuvring.
 
The ME109's range restricted its field of operation. Their real fields of operation ­ out and back ­ was a little over 100 miles, a flight time of barely 95 minutes and a tactical flight time of just 75 minutes. This was a sever handicap when it is considered that whereas the Luftwaffe pilots were operating scores of miles from their base, British pilots were often within sight of their own. This handicap was made more critical by the fact that downed RAF pilots could be rescued whilst Luftwaffe pilots were of course ­ if they were lucky ­ imprisoned.
 
The twin-engine ME110 was a slow flyer able to cruise at a little less than 300mph and was easily outpaced by the RAF's Spitfires. It was also 'sluggish in acceleration and difficult to manoeuvre.'
 
The greatest handicap for the Germans however was there primitive radio equipment. Unlike the British versions it was poor in air-to-air operation and could not be controlled by the ground.
 
On the British side a total surpassing 650 fighter aircraft had been amassed by mid-July, mostly Hurricanes and Spitfires although including nearly 100 of the older types. During that whole year Britain produced 4,238 fighters compared with a derisory 3,000 manufactured by Germany.
 
In terms of armaments the noted British military historian, B.H Liddell Hart noted: "What is quite clear, and became evident at the start, was that the German bombers were too poorly armed to be able to beat off the British fighters without a fighter escort of their own." ­ History of the Second World War.
 
GERMANY AND OTHER FREE COUNTRIES ATTACKED
 
Poland carried out the first acts of aggression. In March 1939 Poland, already occupying German territory 'acquired' in 1919 invaded Czechoslovakia. During the months running up to the outbreak of war Polish armed forces repeatedly violated German borders. On August 31st 1939 Polish irregular armed forces launched a full scale attack on the German border town of Gleiwitz.
 
Within hours Germany retaliated resulting in Britain and France's declarations of war on the German nation on 3rd Sept 1939. In Britain's case this declaration of war was constitutionally illegal. It was not as it should have been ratified by parliament.
 
Despite her borders being constantly attacked by the numerically superior armies of France and England, and economically strangled by world finance, Germany refused to be drawn, negotiated for peace and turned the other cheek for ten months.
 
Only when it accurately learned that England intended to broaden the western front by occupying the Low Countries and Norway, thus surrounding and threatening Germany's entire borders, did Germany carry out a pre-emptive strike.
 
Germany's defensive counter attack was launched on 10th May 1940. This resulted in the rout of 330,000 British and French troops by a significantly smaller army. It was one of the worst debacles in military history. (The British press called it 'a miracle).
 
Russia invaded Finland on Nov 30th 1939. Britain (not for the first time) and France invaded Norway's neutrality on 8th April 1940. To avoid attack via the Baltic Sea Germany counter-attacked. In the small battles that followed (Trondheim) 2,000 German troops routed 13,000 British troops. They were evacuated on 1st May. To save face Churchill disembarked 20,000 British troops at Narvik. They were driven out by 2,000 Austrian Alpine troops.
 
Canada declared war on Germany 10th Sept 1939. In June 1940 Soviet Russia invaded Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and Rumania. In June 1940, Britain declared war on Finland, Rumania and Hungary whilst also occupying defenseless Iceland. All of these acts of aggression in gross violation of international law and previously signed treaties.
 
On May 10th 1940 in brazen defiance of international law Britain occupied Iceland. Icelanders regarded the British armed forces as an occupying force.
 
On 7th Dec 1941 a British backed coup overthrew the Yugoslav government. On 27th March 1941 British troops enter Greece. On 6th April 1941 Germany retaliated and Britain retreated again. In June 1940 Britain prepares to invade neutral Portugal.
 
The United States, supposedly neutral, consistently attacks German shipping and arrests or otherwise kidnaps German citizens, even those living in South American countries. In August 1941. Germany retaliated.
 
In 1940 alone Britain, supposedly standing alone and at bay, added 1.6 MILLION SQUARE MILES TO ITS WORLD EMPIRE occupying Italian and French colonies; Syria, Iraq and Persia. Britain's foremost military historian, A.J.P. Taylor conceded: "There can be no doubt that he (Hitler) broadened the war in 1941 only on preventive grounds."
 
Footnote on casualties: In terms of casualties the United Kingdom came in at number nine. Russia came first (official figures at 13.6 million, Germany 3.5, China 1.3, Japan 1.3, Romania 350,000, United States 252,000, Italy 279,000, UK 264,000, France 213,000, Hungary 200,000, Poland 123,000, Greece 88,000, Finland 82,000, Canada 37,000, India 24,000, Australia 23,000, Belgium 12,000, Czechoslovakia 10,000, Bulgaria 10,000, New Zealand 10,000 (another country threatened by Germany no doubt!), Netherlands 8,000, South Africa 6,000, Norway 3,000, Denmark 1,800, Brazil 943.
 
A FINAL EPITAPH FROM ONE OF ENGLAND'S FINEST POETS:
 
A curse for England, false and base,
Where nothing can prosper but disgrace,
Where crushed is each flower's tender form,
And decay and corruption feed the worm ...
 
... Sounds familiar?
 
 
Comment
Michael Rivero
 
The "Clash of civilizations" is not about religion, but about banking. How Hitler rebuilt Germany's economy was simple. He abandoned the fractional reserve banking system that was crippling post-WW1 Germany and instituted a currency with a fixed unit of value. Oddly enough, it was a financial system not very different from that of the United States prior to 1913. This allowed Germany to rebuild quickly, but was of course a direct threat to the bankers who had grown rich and powerful with legalized counterfeiting. This is the reason that "war" (actually a boycott; see attached) was "declared" against Germany. The bankers feared that people everywhere would see the immediate advantages of a non- reserve monetary system and force a change in their own countries. Germany, specifically the German economy, had to be wrecked in order to preserve the fractional reserve banking system everywhere else.
 
Oddly enough, when Putin came to power in Russia, he did pretty much the same thing; kicking out the oligarchs and restructuring Russia's economic system, and the end result is that Russia has paid off all her debts early (while the USA, still enslaved to the Federal Reserve, sinks deep into debt every single day), and not surprisingly, enmity against Russia by nations under the control of reserve banking systems and bankers is on the increase.
 
The same "war of money" underlies the push for Islamophobia. It's not really about religion but about the conflict between compounded interest versus loan-plus-fixed-fee financing.
Michael Rivero
What Really Happened
wrh@whatreallyhappened.com

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Re: How Hitler defied the bankers
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2012, 12:24:43 PM »
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RE.... My suspicion would be he made promises to Banksters to pay them back with stuff he was planning to steal through conquest.

Another of the propaganda twists....  Hitler didn't want war and didn't start WWII. Germany probably got their energy supply as the previous article says they did with many goods; they bartered directly for them.

If he didn't want War, it probably was not a good idea to Annex the Sudetanland or Invade Poland.



You can of course make the case that like the Japanese, Hitler was forced into going to War by the econmic War being waged against Germany first.  So this becomes a Chicken-Egg question of "Who Started It?".

I will say that making the argument that Hitler was really a Saint and was the victim of a long running media spin campaign to make him look bad is unlikely to gain many converts.

Do you also figure that the "Final Solution" was a character assassination and Hitler did not undertake genocidal means to rid the world Jews, Gypsies and other marginal peoples of the world?  What about his views on Aryan Supremacy and Eugenics arguents regarding the lesser abilities of Black people?  Did he NOT walk out of the Olympic Stadium in Berlin when Jesse Owens won the Gold Medal as the World's Fastest Human of the day?

Anyhow, I am aware the Nazis engaged in direct barter of finished goods like Railroad cars in order to get hold of raw materials from places like Argentina, and in so doing were end arounding the Bankster monopoly on trade.  I do not however think such a scheme will work again because too many of the resources for creating such finished goods as rairoad cars are now in such relatively short supply.  I also don;t think Zero Point Energy is around the corner to resolve that problem either.

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 05:16:06 PM »
I'm not trying to imply he is a saint by any means. Anyone who gets to such a position of power is compromised.

I'm just suggesting that the situation was similar to what is happening with Iran right now.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler. Honestly... Is he the one trying to start WWIII?

Iran is being boycotted like Germany was. By who?  Iran is constantly being baited and threatened.

Secret agents and foreign forces are meddling in Iran's  internal affairs and killing off their top scientists. By who?

Like in Egypt, Libya and Syria foreign governments are supporting and funding a revolution.

How would the USA, Britain or Canada react if this was being done by outsiders in those countries?

Nothing is said about this in the MSM. Why?

Who is behind it?

It's not the western governments, they are simply the hired help.

Is is the zionist international bankers? 

Was it the same at the outset of WWII?

9/11 was a false flag that allowed the west to appear the innocent victim while actually starting two major conflicts.

Could WWII have started from a similar false flag blamed on Germany?

Iran will have no choice but to go to war if it is attacked.

Was it the same for Germany?

 


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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 05:38:53 PM »
Do you also figure that the "Final Solution" was a character assassination and Hitler did not undertake genocidal means to rid the world Jews, Gypsies and other marginal peoples of the world?  What about his views on Aryan Supremacy and Eugenics arguents regarding the lesser abilities of Black people?  Did he NOT walk out of the Olympic Stadium in Berlin when Jesse Owens won the Gold Medal as the World's Fastest Human of the day?

There is also evidence that Hitler was deeply into the Occult, and believed the crap promoted by the so-called mystery schools, which were a perversion of original Christianity (but they are very good at dressing themselves up as Christian). The same crap promoted by the Order of the Illuminati, started by a German priest, which was (coincidentally?) financed by the Rothschilds. There is also evidence that FDR and Truman believed the same crap. So my question is - why does one side have to represent Evil and the other one good? Why can't they all be Evil assholes? Does FDR's New Deal really sound that much different from Hitler's reconstruction program for Germany? Maybe they all had similar goals, but Hitler just went way too far, too fast, and convinced himself that he could do it all alone and OUT IN THE OPEN. He was dealt with accordingly.

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2012, 07:37:02 PM »
So my question is - why does one side have to represent Evil and the other one good? Why can't they all be Evil assholes?

That is right on the money  :emthup:.

Hitler's  mother as a young woman was a maid in a Rothschild's residence. She was sent home when she became pregnant. Hitler very likely has Rothschild blood.

The elite are a group unto themselves. Their loyalty is not to the country they happen to be in. It is to the power they have gathered unto themselves as a group. Anyone or anything that threatens their control and power will be destroyed. No mercy will be shown to anyone threatening their dominance, even if the person is part of their own group.

Their worldly power is based on usury and anything that threatens this system of control will be destroyed by them. 

Affluence for the masses threatens their dominance so it is no accident that the economies they control routinely go fubar. Same with wars. If the masses have everything they need there is little market. Destroying it all so the masses need to acquire all over again makes sense to them.

To me there are two important points suggested by the article.

The first is that even over a short span of a few decades it is impossible for the masses to know the truth of world events. No matter how many people today question the events surrounding 9/11, the MSM has stuck to the party line and 50 years from now their word will be the gospel. I suspect all of history is like that. The major events may or may not have happened but to trust the historical rational of these events is worse than putting trust in a crap shoot.

Somehow we need resolve  the current dilemma without using historical precedents as models. 

The second is the realization that the system isn't broken by accident. Those that control world events, including economic ones,  understand the ramifications of what they are doing as well as we do, probably better. We are not dealing with idiots who don't get it. We are dealing with people that get it very well and are doing what they do because it serves their purposes, which definitely are different than ours.

To build a world of abundance for everyone is technically relatively easy. However just going out and building that world won't work because it goes against the grain of those who currently control the world. As soon as your attempt threatens their power it will be destroyed by them. That has happened too many times  in the past to think otherwise. They are not fools being destroyed by their own folly. They are destroying us with intent but are capable  of surviving the collapse they have initiated.

Even if we managed to rid ourselves of the elite it wouldn't solve our problems because they have subverted most of the masses to be (self) destructive.

More and more I am coming to realize that all we can hope to accomplish is at the personal level. We can attempt to stop being part of the problem. Doing this as a mass movement will not succeed as cit will draw the ill will of the elite. Somehow we need to disconnect individually in innocuous ways that don't overtly threaten TPTB.

Those provoked to show their discontent in mass movements are easy to destroy. TPTB surreptitiously suggest and support such efforts for just that purpose. No mass protest will change the situation for the better.

TPTB having to hunt down single individuals who are quietly straying from the straight and narrow is a much more difficult if not impossible task for them. Being a hero will give you away. We need to let go of our egos so we can quietly fade into the woodwork.

We need to be willing to give up the safety of operating as a group and go our own ways with all the risks that entails.

Building alternative communities is a dead giveaway. Hollowing out existing communities while maintaining a semblance of normalcy might work better. Smile when dumped on and play dumb when needed and work on your own agenda the rest of the time.

Most of our dissatisfaction with life stems from the conditioning we have gone through to motivate us to consume so we will be willing slaves. Once we break that conditioning it takes virtually nothing to feel that existing is worthwhile and enjoyable. This sense of peace is not something that can be taken away from you and is worth more than all the bling you could possibly acquire.

There is some urgency to starting this process as the longer tptb have our help the greater the chance that they can simply do us all in simply to be rid of us.

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Re: How Hitler defied the bankers
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 08:41:20 PM »
Do you also figure that the "Final Solution" was a character assassination and Hitler did not undertake genocidal means to rid the world Jews, Gypsies and other marginal peoples of the world?  What about his views on Aryan Supremacy and Eugenics arguents regarding the lesser abilities of Black people?  Did he NOT walk out of the Olympic Stadium in Berlin when Jesse Owens won the Gold Medal as the World's Fastest Human of the day?

There is also evidence that Hitler was deeply into the Occult, and believed the crap promoted by the so-called mystery schools, which were a perversion of original Christianity (but they are very good at dressing themselves up as Christian). The same crap promoted by the Order of the Illuminati, started by a German priest, which was (coincidentally?) financed by the Rothschilds. There is also evidence that FDR and Truman believed the same crap. So my question is - why does one side have to represent Evil and the other one good? Why can't they all be Evil assholes? Does FDR's New Deal really sound that much different from Hitler's reconstruction program for Germany? Maybe they all had similar goals, but Hitler just went way too far, too fast, and convinced himself that he could do it all alone and OUT IN THE OPEN. He was dealt with accordingly.

Given that his cousin and former POTUS Teddy was a Eugenics proponent. one could make a pretty safe bet that FDR was in the same camp.

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The modern field and term were first formulated by Sir Francis Galton in 1883,[18] drawing on the recent work of his half-cousin Charles Darwin.[19][20] At its peak of popularity eugenics was supported by a wide variety of prominent people, including Winston Churchill,[21] Margaret Sanger,[22][23] Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Linus Pauling[24] and Sidney Webb.[25][26][27] Many members of the American Progressive Movement supported eugenics, seduced by its scientific trappings and its promise of a quick end to social ills. Its most infamous proponent and practitioner was, however, Adolf Hitler who praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf and emulated Eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States.[28]

Relative to FDR, Hitler's main problem was he was less subtle and that he lost the War.  The agenda at the top since at least the time of Malthus has been to figure out how to engineer a Die Off in such a way that those at the top of the pyramid live and everybody else dies.

The main are of disagreement is whether they ever did figure out a foolproof way of doing that or not.

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Re: How Hitler defied the bankers
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2012, 12:46:14 AM »
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There is also evidence that Hitler was deeply into the Occult, and believed the crap promoted by the so-called mystery schools, which were a perversion of original Christianity (but they are very good at dressing themselves up as Christian)

ash, i'm curious about this statement. please expand on the crap promoted by the mystery schools, and in what respects they were a perversion of original christianity?

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2012, 05:25:06 AM »
Regarding Hitler and Nazi's and the Occult.

It is said that the Nazi's practiced forms of Occult mysticism and somatic engagement that attempted to bridge the Mind/Body gap. Literal Astral Travel, Light Body, Channeling, Mediums all the good Gnostic Christianity that the Crusades took exception.

That explains some of the recent New Age obsession with the Nazi Bell and the potential Nazi contacts with ETs.

The Nazis were practicing for Ascension!

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2012, 09:18:04 AM »
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There is also evidence that Hitler was deeply into the Occult, and believed the crap promoted by the so-called mystery schools, which were a perversion of original Christianity (but they are very good at dressing themselves up as Christian)

ash, i'm curious about this statement. please expand on the crap promoted by the mystery schools, and in what respects they were a perversion of original christianity?

Like ross said, you can find it all wrapped up in the New Age movement. They have perverted Biblical Christianity by literally flipping it on its head - claiming the God of the bible is actually Satan, and Satan is God (the Serpent in the Garden of Eden). They claim that the Bible, when interpreted correctly, says that sin does not really exist, that Jesus was not actually the Son of God, there was no death/resurrection and that man can become God through spiritual evolution. Actually, many of them claim now that man IS God. It all stems from the Gnostics, the Rosicrucians, Freemasons and the more modern Theosophical Society (Blovatsky) and Philosophical Research Society (Manly P Hall). Oh, and the Catholic Church itself. It's all the Acharya S. Zeitgeist crap that claims the story of Jesus in the Bible is taken from the stories of all the Pagan gods. Of course, with Sitchin and all of his Ancient Alien derivatives, you now get that Annunaki/Nephilim crap thrown in for good measure.

Note that I don't consider myself a Christian. But anyone can see what the Bible really says, and it is not at all what these people claim that it says.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2012, 12:21:14 PM »
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There is also evidence that Hitler was deeply into the Occult, and believed the crap promoted by the so-called mystery schools, which were a perversion of original Christianity (but they are very good at dressing themselves up as Christian)

ash, i'm curious about this statement. please expand on the crap promoted by the mystery schools, and in what respects they were a perversion of original christianity?

Like ross said, you can find it all wrapped up in the New Age movement. They have perverted Biblical Christianity by literally flipping it on its head - claiming the God of the bible is actually Satan, and Satan is God (the Serpent in the Garden of Eden). They claim that the Bible, when interpreted correctly, says that sin does not really exist, that Jesus was not actually the Son of God, there was no death/resurrection and that man can become God through spiritual evolution. Actually, many of them claim now that man IS God. It all stems from the Gnostics, the Rosicrucians, Freemasons and the more modern Theosophical Society (Blovatsky) and Philosophical Research Society (Manly P Hall). Oh, and the Catholic Church itself. It's all the Acharya S. Zeitgeist crap that claims the story of Jesus in the Bible is taken from the stories of all the Pagan gods. Of course, with Sitchin and all of his Ancient Alien derivatives, you now get that Annunaki/Nephilim crap thrown in for good measure.

Note that I don't consider myself a Christian. But anyone can see what the Bible really says, and it is not at all what these people claim that it says.

This is very interesting, and provocative. But it undeniable, and the premise of some very well regarded biblical scholars, that the Bible is full of mistranslations and insertions, some benign, others less so. And there were many variants of Christianity before Constantine knocked ecclesiastical heads together at Nicaea and said, in effect, "Get it done." Christianity has many overlays of paganism, from Mithraism through the cult of Sol Invictus, the better to make the state religion palatable to preliterate Germanic tribes, etc.

Mistranslations do not alter the fundamental thrust of the Bible, which reads as you say.

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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2012, 03:33:33 PM »
This is very interesting, and provocative. But it undeniable, and the premise of some very well regarded biblical scholars, that the Bible is full of mistranslations and insertions, some benign, others less so. And there were many variants of Christianity before Constantine knocked ecclesiastical heads together at Nicaea and said, in effect, "Get it done." Christianity has many overlays of paganism, from Mithraism through the cult of Sol Invictus, the better to make the state religion palatable to preliterate Germanic tribes, etc.

Yes, I agree that the Roman Catholic Church introduced pagan elements into Christianity in its process of co-opting it and making it more acceptable to the people.

In terms of modern day Biblical scholars, it seems to me that the best ones are people who previously became linguistic experts in Hebrew, Greek, Latin and then turned to understanding the various texts that comprise the Old and New Testaments. AFAIK, none of those people find much "pagan symbolism" in the original texts. They say the descriptions of events and what not are all pretty straightforward and should be taken literally, even though its sometimes difficult to figure out what those descriptions actually are, because some words have multiple meanings and mean different things in different contexts, etc.

Either way, the various interpretations posited by most, if not all, of the New Age folks can be shown to be completely bogus, and many times the exact opposite of what the Bible teaches. That's why most Christian NWO theorists believe Satan is behind it and the New Age stuff is the culmination of his work - the ultimate deception - right in line with Biblical prophecy. They certainly have a convincing case, but I don't really pretend to know.

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the New Age folks can be shown to be completely bogus, and many times the exact opposite of what the Bible teaches. That's why most Christian NWO theorists believe Satan is behind it and the New Age stuff is the culmination of his work - the ultimate deception - right in line with Biblical prophecy. They certainly have a convincing case, but I don't really pretend to know.

thanks for your previous reply. while it is true that the illuminati is into esotericism, what makes you think that christian nwo theorists aren't falling prey to guilt by association?

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the New Age folks can be shown to be completely bogus, and many times the exact opposite of what the Bible teaches. That's why most Christian NWO theorists believe Satan is behind it and the New Age stuff is the culmination of his work - the ultimate deception - right in line with Biblical prophecy. They certainly have a convincing case, but I don't really pretend to know.

thanks for your previous reply. while it is true that the illuminati is into esotericism, what makes you think that christian nwo theorists aren't falling prey to guilt by association?

When you say "guilt by association", I assume you mean the guilt of New Age advocates by association to... the teachings of esoteric mystery schools that inform the NWO? Well, there is no doubt in my mind that many of these people have derived their ideas directly from the "mystic" teachings of the theosophical society, such as mankind's ability to evolve into a God-like state of consciousness (in and around Dec. 2012), and ultimately end up advocating the exact same things advocated by the NWO - one world religion, one world government, one world economic/monetary system. If every enlightened being among us is a God in his/her/its own right, then why not? This isn't just speculation - there is clear evidence that ties people like Blovatsky and David Icke, Wilcock, etc. together. The former claimed to channel a spirit called "Master Moraya", who did the latter claim to channel? They are deceivers and/or they are being deceived.